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 		<title>Comment on Education Lottery by: Sapphire</title>
		<link>http://mdickson.com/blog/uncategorized/4/#comment-34</link>
		<pubDate>Fri, 21 Apr 2006 19:34:28 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>&lt;strong&gt;Sapphire&lt;/strong&gt;

I am Petra, very interesting article that contained the information I was searching for in Google, thanks.</description>
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	<p>I am Petra, very interesting article that contained the information I was searching for in Google, thanks.
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 		<title>Comment on Education Lottery by: JiggyWittit</title>
		<link>http://mdickson.com/blog/uncategorized/4/#comment-28</link>
		<pubDate>Mon, 06 Mar 2006 11:34:10 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>Kewl blog you got goin on up here.
Peace, JiggyWittit</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>Kewl blog you got goin on up here.<br />
Peace, JiggyWittit
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 		<title>Comment on Education Lottery by: TreeFrog</title>
		<link>http://mdickson.com/blog/uncategorized/4/#comment-26</link>
		<pubDate>Wed, 22 Feb 2006 03:13:20 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>Awesome blog you have. I enjoyed reading it this evening.
Peace
TreeFrog</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>Awesome blog you have. I enjoyed reading it this evening.<br />
Peace<br />
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 		<title>Comment on Education Lottery by: Michael Dickson</title>
		<link>http://mdickson.com/blog/uncategorized/4/#comment-8</link>
		<pubDate>Fri, 25 Nov 2005 22:35:49 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>Thanks for the comments, Brian.

Yes, I do think that these lotteries are a bad thing if they are run by the state.  But I'm also not a libertarian!

I believe that, in part for reasons that you already mentioned, these lotteries are inherently misleading.  They rely on -- and indeed, in their advertising practices, encourage -- widespread misperceptions about probability.  It is a shame, of course, that such misperceptions exist, but they do.  (And there is some psychological evidence to suggest that not much can really be done about it.)  I do not believe that the state must protect citizens from themselves (one of the causes of an overly litigious society, in my amateur opinion), but I also believe that the state should not actively seek to take advantage of its citizens, and I believe that these lotteries do exactly that.  It is probably also true that they take undo advantage of exactly those who can least stand it financially, but, while deplorable, that aspect of these lotteries is not my main argument against them.  (And lots of dumb -- and some smart -- rich people in fact buy the lottery tickets as well.)

By the way, private gambling establishments are a different matter.  If operated in 'the right' way (and I won't try to elaborate on what 'right' might mean here), they are fine, in my opinion.  True, they &lt;i&gt;also&lt;/i&gt; take advantage of people's misperceptions about probability, but they are different in some important ways.  First, it is very clear that they are out to make money -- there is no pretense whatsoever that they are operating for some charitable purpose.  Second, there is, arguably, some actual entertainment value.  Third, they are not the state.  Citizens do not have a right to presuppose that a private entity is not trying take advantage of them.  They &lt;i&gt;do&lt;/i&gt; have a right, in my amateur opinion, to presuppose that the state is not trying to take advantage of them.  (Another difference is that the odds of winning money in a casino are actually much higher than the odds of winning the lottery....)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>Thanks for the comments, Brian.</p>
	<p>Yes, I do think that these lotteries are a bad thing if they are run by the state.  But I&#8217;m also not a libertarian!</p>
	<p>I believe that, in part for reasons that you already mentioned, these lotteries are inherently misleading.  They rely on &#8212; and indeed, in their advertising practices, encourage &#8212; widespread misperceptions about probability.  It is a shame, of course, that such misperceptions exist, but they do.  (And there is some psychological evidence to suggest that not much can really be done about it.)  I do not believe that the state must protect citizens from themselves (one of the causes of an overly litigious society, in my amateur opinion), but I also believe that the state should not actively seek to take advantage of its citizens, and I believe that these lotteries do exactly that.  It is probably also true that they take undo advantage of exactly those who can least stand it financially, but, while deplorable, that aspect of these lotteries is not my main argument against them.  (And lots of dumb &#8212; and some smart &#8212; rich people in fact buy the lottery tickets as well.)</p>
	<p>By the way, private gambling establishments are a different matter.  If operated in &#8216;the right&#8217; way (and I won&#8217;t try to elaborate on what &#8216;right&#8217; might mean here), they are fine, in my opinion.  True, they <i>also</i> take advantage of people&#8217;s misperceptions about probability, but they are different in some important ways.  First, it is very clear that they are out to make money &#8212; there is no pretense whatsoever that they are operating for some charitable purpose.  Second, there is, arguably, some actual entertainment value.  Third, they are not the state.  Citizens do not have a right to presuppose that a private entity is not trying take advantage of them.  They <i>do</i> have a right, in my amateur opinion, to presuppose that the state is not trying to take advantage of them.  (Another difference is that the odds of winning money in a casino are actually much higher than the odds of winning the lottery&#8230;.)
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 		<title>Comment on Education Lottery by: Brian Hood</title>
		<link>http://mdickson.com/blog/uncategorized/4/#comment-7</link>
		<pubDate>Wed, 23 Nov 2005 17:08:09 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>This is an excellent entry.  It will find a home in my lectures on probability in my Scientific Reasoning classes.  Usually I use the example of Publishers' Clearing House where the expected utility of winning is roughly -.37 dollars (unless you have a thing for licking stamps or sealing envelopes), provided you don't purchase any publications.  You example is better since most students are more familiar with Powerball, scratch-off lottery tickets, and education lotteries.  I find it interesting that individuals who purchase lottery tickets come up with all sorts of reasons (post hoc, I might add) for why they play those silly games, and it is unclear that the reasons they cite in defense of their decision to play sometimes seem extremely unlikely to have been the actual reasons relevant to the decision to play.  For instance, if the person does not know he is answering to a philosopher, he will say that he is playing to win.  However, once you point out the &quot;innumeracy&quot; of his response, he will back off and claim that he is playing for the excitement of winning or he'll claim (and this is my favorite) &quot;well, *someone* has to win,&quot; to which I usually respond, &quot;yes, (depending on the lottery), but it won't be you.&quot;

Just out of curiosity, do you think that these lotteries are a bad thing?  I once had a professor who claimed that they were since they take advantage of low-income people and people that are, frankly, not sophisticated enough to know that they should not play these games.  (I know this sounds elitist, but a.) it is not my argument, and b.) these people exist.)  Moreover, the education marketing gimmick fools people into thinking that they are doing the right thing by playing, when clearly, for reasons you enumerated, it is not.  To what extent should one just be a libertarian about these matters and just let people throw away their income on these games?  Does the state have a responsibility to look out for the polity and see to it that lotteries and the like do not take advantage of people?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>This is an excellent entry.  It will find a home in my lectures on probability in my Scientific Reasoning classes.  Usually I use the example of Publishers&#8217; Clearing House where the expected utility of winning is roughly -.37 dollars (unless you have a thing for licking stamps or sealing envelopes), provided you don&#8217;t purchase any publications.  You example is better since most students are more familiar with Powerball, scratch-off lottery tickets, and education lotteries.  I find it interesting that individuals who purchase lottery tickets come up with all sorts of reasons (post hoc, I might add) for why they play those silly games, and it is unclear that the reasons they cite in defense of their decision to play sometimes seem extremely unlikely to have been the actual reasons relevant to the decision to play.  For instance, if the person does not know he is answering to a philosopher, he will say that he is playing to win.  However, once you point out the &#8220;innumeracy&#8221; of his response, he will back off and claim that he is playing for the excitement of winning or he&#8217;ll claim (and this is my favorite) &#8220;well, *someone* has to win,&#8221; to which I usually respond, &#8220;yes, (depending on the lottery), but it won&#8217;t be you.&#8221;</p>
	<p>Just out of curiosity, do you think that these lotteries are a bad thing?  I once had a professor who claimed that they were since they take advantage of low-income people and people that are, frankly, not sophisticated enough to know that they should not play these games.  (I know this sounds elitist, but a.) it is not my argument, and b.) these people exist.)  Moreover, the education marketing gimmick fools people into thinking that they are doing the right thing by playing, when clearly, for reasons you enumerated, it is not.  To what extent should one just be a libertarian about these matters and just let people throw away their income on these games?  Does the state have a responsibility to look out for the polity and see to it that lotteries and the like do not take advantage of people?
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